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Sort Albums by Artist in the Album View

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Nuno Vitorino

This is a feature request to summarize the request made from users in order to structure the approach we plan to do.
Within the Albums view, albums are currently sorted alphabetically. The proposal would be to sort them by Artist and within each Artist to sort by Year. The A-Z index would then be respective to the Artist name rather than the Album Name.

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chris

doesn't seem to be working for me unless Qobuz is not included in the change?


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Rob

This would make it really convenient. This is core functionality


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Nuno Vitorino

Status changed to: Done

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Alexis Nolte

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Alexis Nolte

If this maintains the filtering by genre it would take care of another feature request to allow to sort by genre>artist>albums for instance show me all albums by Mozart in classical music. Thanks


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Nuno Vitorino

Hi Alexis,

You can do this already in a different way. If you go to Albums and filter by tag, let's say Classical, you can the use the search on top of the screen that searches only the subset in Classical. That way, if you search for Mozart with the filter seto on Classical, it would give you all the Mozart albums you have within that tag.


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Mickyrock

I think this option of Artist / year - Album is perfect. Thanks


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Christian Zerfas

Please make this an optional feature, since being in the album view I want to look at albums sorted by their names. Otherwise I would go to the artist view and be happy there.


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Super_Legs

If so, then please sort by original release date instead of the release date of the specific cd issue that can be a re-release.


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guardajoias

If this is just a change in the sort, it may not work well: Which Artist are we referring to? If it is Album Artist or Track Artist, then it is worst than Album Alphabetical order for classical music and not sure how it would work when you have more than one artist in the Album Artists separated by ";". If you add the filters by Artist in addition to genre, with the ability to select the Artist role (Album Artist, Composer, Track Artist, Conductor,...) then that's great. But it may be simpler then to add the Genre/Tag filter to Artist View. The Alphabetical view of Albums is useful and should be available as well.


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Nuno Vitorino

Status changed to: Planned

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Nuno Vitorino

Merged with: Albums by artist

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Ted Woods

When in Albums view, it'd be useful to have the ability to organise Albums by Artist not just by album name, which is pretty confusing This way all albums by the same artist would be grouped all together and easily accessible. Moreover, search by genre or other denominator would be much easier.


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Ted Woods

When in Albums view, it'd be useful to have the ability to organise Albums by Artist not just by album name, which is pretty confusing This way all albums by the same artist would be grouped all together and easily accessible. Moreover, search by genre or other denominator would be much easier.


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Edward E.

Addressing the OP's original statement, I would like to also 'add-on' my preference to consider would be to sort albums 1. By ARTIST's/BAND's NAME (ignoring "The" in their name, or "Trio", "Quintet" after artist name. AND, 2. Afterward, have them 'natively' sorted inline (left to right) by a secondary sort by Album "Release Date" - dd/mm/yyyy. So, Led Zeppelin 3 would be listed before Led Zeppelin (IV - which has no number in the album title). Albums listed by Artist/Band in chronographic sequence by "release date" within an Artist/Band albums would be soo cool - IMHO.


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Boris

so that the Artists with all their albums appear from Artist A to Artist Z


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guardajoias

Another use would be to be able to browse albums by Composer, or Conductor within Classical music genre,...


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danfoord

Maybe an extension to this request.. it would be useful to have a sort by within the album view (in addition to the existing filter by). Sort by Title, Artist, Genre or Year would all be great to have... being able to do this within albums, tracks or search results would also be very useful (and being able to select A-Z or Z-A)


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Nuno Vitorino

Our view is trying to minimise to the options that are really useful and in the context of having a search in the page. Our hope was that people more and more just use the filters/ search rather that the "old habit" - which I did myself - that if I wanted the album "Memories" I'd go to M on the A-Z then browse to "Memories". It's just so much easier to just type "mem" and go there now...
Having said this, my opinion is that genre is a filter and not a sort option. Year we would be planning to add in filters the option "decade" so that we could filter something like 70s or 00s music. If you want a specific year, just type the year in the search and all albums from that year will be shows. In the end - eventually the only option that makes sense is sorting by artist and within artist by year (that was a suggestion in the comments that I do like). This would avoid having more clutter on UI and eventually be useful for everyone.


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danfoord

I definitely think the search is excellent and like the new feature, and typing the artist in the album name is useful... but to me searching and browsing are not the same (one is proactive - you know what you are searching for, the other is reactive). If you are browsing 1000s of albums, it makes it difficult to really browse, if (for example) every time you get to an Artist you want to see more of, you have to search to find the albums... I have lots of 'Various Artists' for example, and not seeing these together in the album view (unless I search on Various Artists) makes for an odd browsing experience. So Artist very useful, as you say.
Having similar options on the track view (to the album view) would also be super useful i.e. to quickly filter down to specific genres, and then be able to sort by title or artist or year


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guardajoias

"genre is a filter and not a sort option": Yes indeed, but this filter should be available on Artist view also, not just on Album view.


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danfoord

Yes, indeed. I mean to have the same filter options + new sort options, within the track list view... and whilst I agree, genre is currently a filter, if you have a large library being able to group (sort!) by genre is usual, particularly for instance when browsing compilation albums.
iTunes actually does this pretty well (even though it has plenty of bad points!)... in the album view you can sort by:
Title, Artist, Year, Genre or Rating
Then additionally again by Title, Artist, Year or Rating (depending or your first sort option)
Then order by Ascending or descending
So for example... show me all albums grouped by Genre, then by artist.
Or show me all albums sorted by Artist, then by year
The main difference with iTunes is that is assumes a singular genre, or takes the first genre when sorting... so as a group / sort that definitely has it's limitations), that's why in my original post above I suggested adding the filters to any search results also (not just the Album and Track view) i.e. you could then 'search by an artist' (Various Artist for example), then additionally apply filters to those results (a Genre or multiple genres for example).


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guardajoias

That would be ideal


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Ted Woods

Please let me give an example of a typical use case: let's say I want to listen to something from a given genre, e.g. "Post-Punk". If in that category I have ore than a 1000 albums, it's a bummer to have to go through them all. If I then want to listen to Joy Division, album view would mean I'd have to remember their albums titles, if I'm in albums A-Z. Also, a band might have an album beginning with A (easy to find) and another beginning with W (which would mean I'd have to get o W to find it if I even remember its title). Instead, if I have all the respective bands albums grouped by artist A-Z, I would just go the band and choose which album I want to listen to easily.


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Nuno Vitorino

Hi Ted, the search within Albums is not just for album titles. If you search for Joy Division, it will list the albums from Artist Joy Division. The same will happen if you type just part of the band name (ex: dir would list Dire Straits).
As for searching a genre like Post-Punk with say over a 1000 titles, yes I could see that being useful but wouldn't it make sense that eventually there would be more tags to differentiate? Anyway, I'm in favour of sorting by Artist and personally would prefer that to be the only option rather than having lots of options that would clutter the UI. But I don't have to get it my way every time :-)


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Ted Woods

Personally, any way of sorting albums via Artist A-Z would be fine with me, but if I choose to browse the albums of a particular genre, regardless of how many albums I have there, why can't I also have them sorted by Artist A-Z within that genre?
What I mean is, that my original selective method (or only method for that matter) will determine how everything appears (Artist A-Z in this case), regardless of my search method (genres).
A more immediate analogy would be that of a (physical) record collection where the records, regardless of how the collector chooses to categorise them into genres, are always sorted by Artist within whatever specific organisation method is chosen, so that they are always grouped together for easier access.


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Nuno Vitorino

That's a good point - the ability to search a filtered view could be indeed useful. Do propose a separate feature request to be analysed too!


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guardajoias

Searching and browsing are two complementary things. Searching is greatly improved but it assumes you remember something. Sometimes, I just want to browse my Classical Music composers (I do not remember them all by name so browsing rather than search is useful) and then select an Album. But without the ability to filter the composers by genre, I end up with a list that is not very useful. With LMS and iPeng, I could make separate browsing lists by genre. A filter would make that even easier.


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Tony

Within an Artists view the albums are organised in a random fashion. When there are large numbers of albums by one artist (e.g. in my case Various Artists, Bob Dylan, Miles Davis) it would be much more convenient if these were arranged alphabetically.


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Ted Woods

I take it if I choose the overall grouping of albums by artist A-Z, this is the selection how individual genres would appear too in my search, e.g. genre: Rock and within the genre "Rock", Artists A-Z.


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Ted Woods

Absolutely, that's what I meant: A-Z by artists instead of A-Z by album title (and search by genres as is) would be adequate for me.


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Nuno Vitorino

Although this is similar to going to Artists rather than albums and using the A-Z there?


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Ted Woods

I realise this is similar...
To me the important thing is "inter-connectivity", which means that whenever I need to find what I'll listen to next, either by albums, artists or genres, it would always be sorted as Artist A-Z. Whichever way that is implemented, either by adding Artist A-Z sorting to Albums and genres or adding genre search functionality within Artists is fine with me, as eventually both provide the same functionality.
It is up to you to decide the best way to do it without adding unwanted complexity or hurting sq.


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Nuno Vitorino

Hi Ted,

Regarding grouping by artists, the A-Z index would then relate to artists instead of albums. Would that be a good fit?
You already filter by genre using filters, not sure here how sorting with albums by artist would help searching?


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